POLICE BRUTALITY WATCH: POLICE FIRED 109 SHOTS AT MAN IN WEST PHILADELPHIA AFTER STABBING RAMPAGE (4578 hits)
Nine Philadelphia police officers fired a total of 109 shots Wednesday night at Christopher Sowell, killing him and ending a rampage in West Philadelphia in which he beat, choked or stabbed five people, including his son and daughter, Commissioner Richard Ross announced Friday.
Ross said he did not know how many times Sowell, 32, was hit, but said most of the wounds were to his lower body.
The commissioner acknowledged that the volume of gunfire was high.
"Clearly, 109 rounds is a significant cause of concern, regardless of what the circumstances are," Ross told reporters gathered at Police Headquarters. "It is not an indictment of the police officers, but it may be a significant training issue we need to address."
He offered an possible explanation for the output: It was the result of "contagious gunfire."
"In a very volatile situation, particularly with a number of officers present, if there is one officer who reacts quicker than the rest and fires — and this was in fact a very dangerous and volatile situation based on what they knew — other officers hear that gunfire, and they believe they are now under fire, and that they return fire," Ross said.
The commissioner did not identify the nine officers. He said their names were expected to be released Saturday, within the 72 hours required under department policy.
The shooting was the 16th officer-involved shooting in the city this year, according to police statistics. Three have ended fatally, including Wednesday's event, and an incident earlier last month when police shot and killed Nicholas Glenn after he went on a shooting spree in West Philadelphia that left one woman dead and five other people — including two police officers — injured.
Sowell was killed outside a home on the 700 block of Cobbs Creek Parkway shortly after 7 p.m. Wednesday, at the end of what Ross has called a "violent rampage" — a rage that police and Sowell's relatives have said was fueled by drugs.
Police said the bloodshed began at Sowell's home, on the 6200 block of Hazel Avenue, when he choked his 12-year-old daughter, stabbed and slashed the throat of his 8-year-old son, and stabbed his son's 13-year-old friend several times in the chest. The girl suffered no major injuries; the boys remained Friday in critical condition at Children's Hospital of Philadelphia.
Shortly afterward, Sowell ran to a family friend's home a few blocks away on Cobbs Creek Parkway. Two women inside, ages 41 and 70, allowed him in to get something to eat, police said. Sowell responded by taking a steak knife and cutting the older woman's throat, and beating the younger woman across her face.
The 70-year-old woman was taken to Penn Presbyterian Medical Center, where she was in critical condition Friday. The younger woman was taken to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital, where she was listed Friday in stable condition.
Ross said part of the reason responding officers may have opened fire was because they believed they were looking for a gunman. The initial 911 call reported that shots had been fired within the house on Hazel, Ross said, and that same information was broadcast over police radio.
When Sowell came out of the house on Cobbs Creek Parkway, Ross said, officers told him to take his hands out of his pockets several times. When he finally did, he raised his hands "abruptly" and the officers opened fire, Ross said.
Ross said police did not find a gun on Sowell, but police have said they found a cellphone next to his body. Two houses nearby were each pockmarked by dozens of bullet holes. The glass storm door of one house was also shattered.
Internal Affairs and the Homicide Unit will investigate the shooting, and the officers involved have been placed on desk duty pending the outcome of the investigations.
Ross said the officers involved have yet to be interviewed.
This man was a monster for what he did, I will not use his name but nevertheless, he was unarmed when to the police got there on the scene, this man was executed on the spot, WOW!!! 109 shots by the police!
Miss Muhammad’s blog is about the Philadelphia PD killing Mr. Christopher Sowell a Black American like us. Included in this blog are analytical thinking, intelligence and rational reasoning! Intelligence, analytical thinking and rational reasoning are the things I am. So, this blog is about me since you are void of intelligence, analytical thinking and rational reasoning to present a permanent solution that would trump mines.
I pose the same question to you as I posed to Miss Muhammad. What is our permanent solution to the police killing of our people across the country?
No Black American is a monster! Mr. Christopher Sowell is not a monster. Whatever we are today is the people White Americans raised us into being, Stupid!
I am convinced that when we Black Americans become a sovereign people in our own country as I have described we will be a different people than what we are now.
You are a trifling stupid Black American man 98% against your own people.
Mr. Ron, you have good reasons now to delete your comment dated October 1.
Early on I saw that you were a dumb and ignorant White man. For years now I’ve been calling you the dumbest White man I’ve ever encountered.
It doesn’t take much brain to understand why I don’t vote! I don’t vote in White America’s Elektra system because I am not White. Black Americans will be voting in our own electoral system in my lifetime. In my lifetime Black Americans will divinely come into our own country; seven former Confederate states.
Either you don’t believe me or you don’t understand. I think that you don’t understand because it takes brain to understand and that you don’t have. It doesn’t take brain to just believe something. You can believe anything even when it is wrong.
This is what I will say to you again! You said that Mr. Christopher So well was a monster and I said to you that no Black American man is a monster. I said that the people we are White Americans made us monsters. I am convinced that if we had our own country and live without the influence of White America we will be very different people than we are now.
It is your obligation if you disagree to show me that I am wrong that even in our own country we would be monsters and killers of each other.
You act like you did not understand me Harry, Did you hear what I said to you. I am not deleting a thing and I stand by what I said.
I asked you, Did you read this alleged report of the actions of this man, right here in the body of this blog?
So, If you did, tell me what this man was accused of?
This you have not answered yet, WHY? by the way HARRY these alleged events did not happen in our own country, if you would have read this article with any understanding, you would have known that these alleged events happened in THE CITY of PHILADELPHIA, in The STATE of PENNSYLVANIA, In this time and space and not any time in the future, out side of the land of this so-called sovereign country of ours.
Now is that enough proof for you to fore fill my obligations that I am in full disagreement with you. Now HARRY, I am looking forward to your reply of tell me what this man is accused of?
I said this, “I said to you that no Black American man is a monster. I said that the people we are White Americans made us monsters. Then you said this, “….I am in full disagreement with you.” You failed to substantiate the claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster. Instead, you asked me if I read the article. That is not substantiating Mr. Christopher was a monster.
Until you show me that any Black American man is a monster by his own doings and not with the help of White American people I will admit that I am wrong and you are right!
Substantiate your claim that Mr. Christopher Sowell was a monster! If you do not do that this dialogue will become boring and I will have to put an end to it.
I substantiated my claim that he was not a monster since White Americans have always influenced Black Americans’ thinking and direction. So, when you say that he is a monster the blame is to be laid at the feet of White America. I am convinced that if we were not in the hands of White America we would be an entirely different people. We would be loving towards each other!
I simply asked you to tell me what that men was accused of, Can you do that?
Can you read and then comment on what that man allegedly did to his own children and there friend?
I want you to tell us what this man allegedly did, when he ran down the street and what he allegedly did to two women, Harry, I want you to tell what this man allegedly did, can you do that?
I don't want to hear no excuses, no white people was involved in what this man allegedly did, I am still waiting for your reply, HARRY.
You failed to substantiate the claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster. Instead, you asked me if I read the article. That is not substantiating Mr. Christopher was a monster.
Monday, October 3rd 2016 at 10:58PM
Harry Watley
That is not all I asked from you and you know it!!! , I also asked you to tell me what he did to his own Children and there friend.
Also I asked you to tell us what he allegedly did to two women, Harry, I want you to tell what this man allegedly did, can you do that?
Now Why can't you do that?
Would you say that man was right in doing what, he was allegedly accused of?
You have not said a thing to convince anyone that this man is not a monster.
If he would have lived and you was his attorney, this man, the monster, would rightfully be on death row because you refuse to accept what a monster that man was and you can't make up no defense for that man.
I stood by my conviction and did not change because you posed no pressure to do so.
Harry, you cant live in a parallel universe and apply your narrow-minded thoughts in the real world of life and death.
O.k., since you read the article and said that Mr. Christoper was a monster you can explain from the facts of the article why you think that Mr. Christoper is a monster.
You expect me to have the same opinon from the same facts, but I don't! I firmly believe that if White people were not in our lives Mr. Christoper would not have done these things.
I believe that the monster are White people who made us into what we are!
Tuesday, October 4th 2016 at 3:34PM
Harry Watley
I have been standing by for your opinion, your assessment of what the man allegedly did, while on his chain of events since Sunday, October 2nd 2016 at 5:44PM when you said: "No Black American is a monster! Mr. Christopher Sowell is not a monster. Whatever we are today is the people White Americans raised us into being, Stupid!"
HARRY, you still have not told me nothing about these alleged events that man did, yet WHY?
You have been avoiding that question since SUNDAY, WHY?
Do you approve of what this man allegedly did? Harry, by your non-answer speaks volumes of your support of this man, this monster and no white man told him to commit these alleged crimes.
I call this man a Monster and you have not offered any defense to tell me why he is not, WHY?
I don't expect you to agree with me. All I want you to do is share your opinion about the alleged events in this article and show me why I should not call that man a Monster for what he allegedly did in this chain of events.
It is not your turn to ask any questions. It is my turn to ask a question. The question that I am asking you to do is to substantiate your claim that Mr. Christopher is a monster. When you lay out analytically and rationally that Mr. Christopher is a monster then it is my obligation since I disagree with you to analytically and rationally show that Mr. Christopher is not really to be blame for his actions since White has influenced his thinking and actions all his life. I firmly believe that when we have been divinely delivered out of White America’s hands we Black Americans would be a much better people.
Don’t you agree with me that White people has always been influencing our thinking and directing the way we ought to go? How we believe in God White people directed us in that direction; the way up the White Jewish Jesus!
I am a just and moral man and I know it is not just to fault Black Americans for the things we do since White people have a farm hand in our lives and that is where the blame for our horrific actions should be placed. Not only am I a just and moral man, but I am also a very intelligent man. I know where every pebble of sand on the beach should be.
Firstly, let me thank you for such a rational, comprehensive and analytical reply. You made the claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster but now you have finally presented your facts to back up your claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster. You said that he choked his 12 year old daughter. You said that he stabbed and slashed the throat of his eight year old son. You mentioned other things he did that led you to believe that Mr. Christopher is filled with EVIL DEMONS. That is why you called him a monster. I agree with you that his actions assuming that they are true are horrific and monstrous.
My defense for the late Mr. Christopher and al 41 million Black Americans oppressed for 500 years is the major underlying reason why Mr. Christopher and other Black Americans do these monstrous things to our own kind. I firmly believe that if Black Americans were not oppressed and influenced by White Americans Black Americans would not be killing and hurting each other as we presently do. Hundreds of years of oppression cause normal people to do terrible things. You are implying that White America’s oppression of Black Americans is somehow a minor and insignificant thing, but it is not. The children of Israel were hurting and killing each other until the coming of Prophet Moses because they were oppressed by Egypt and pharaoh and therefore did not develop as normal Hebrew human beings.
So, now we are back to square one! What is Black America’s permanent solution? God has made it plain to me as God did make it plain to Moses that Black Americans will be plucked out of the hands of White Americans and placed into a piece of territory that will be our country. Black Americans will no longer be oppressed and influenced by White Americans. Then, we will wait a while to see that Black Americans are exceptional people. Everything that is wrong with Black Americans White Americans are to be blamed!
Firstly, let me thank you for such a rational, comprehensive and analytical reply. You made the claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster but now you have finally presented your facts to back up your claim that Mr. Christopher was a monster.
My Reply: All of which was found in this article of this blog that we both have read.
YOUR WORDS: You said that he choked his 12 year old daughter. You said that he stabbed and slashed the throat of his eight year old son. You mentioned other things he did that led you to believe that Mr. Christopher is filled with EVIL DEMONS. That is why you called him a monster. I agree with you that his actions assuming that they are true are horrific and monstrous.
My Reply: According to this article, this agreement of these actions by this monster, could have been reached much earlier if you did not go through this drawled out dance that you go through, when the evidence was right in front of you all the time.
Looking at slavery or the white man is not the answer. That man made a choice in every act he took and it was his responsibility alone and nothing else.
So far, tHARRY, the only permeant and permanent solution for Black Americans is to Hear God's words, keep that word in our hearts and obey God's commandments and knowing that God is our savior, we will get to the promise land.
This man could not have God in his life and commit these allege acts towards his own God given gifts, to him. See, this story is much bigger than this monsters.
This blog has over Two hundred hits, people are reading the story, our comments, opinions and finally our agreement that the alleged actions was cause by a monster.
Now here is where we disagree 500 years of influence by White Americans has nothing to do with these horrific and monstrous acts. That Monster made a decision to allegedly used DRUGS and get high and lose control of his senses.
See Harry this story has been missed, the police fired 109 shots at this man. The police did not find a gun on that man but what they did find was a cell phone, a cell phone Harry, that is not against the law to have a cell phone. Two houses nearby were each pockmarked by dozens of bullet holes. The glass storm door of one house was also shattered, I thank God that there was no one else killed by the police.
This was clearly a act of over reaction by our servants, took a sworn oath to serve and protect and not be judge, jury and executioner.
This is the story that has been missed by your attempt to redirect this hot topic and this narrow point of view of yours. HARRY, none of your recent blogs have not got this much attention ever, that is the reason why you tried to Hy-jack this blog but you failed and this story stands dominant as the topic of intent.
Now let us see if you will continue this line of take over.
You said this, “Now here is where we disagree 500 years of influence by White Americans has nothing to do with these horrific and monstrous acts.”
You said you disagree but you offered no reason why you disagree other than it has nothing to do with it and I am not buying that. I am a man of analytical thinking and rational reasoning. Please substantiate rationally your disagreement that 500 years of oppression and influence by White Americans have nothing to do with Black Americans bizarre behavior.
You have the mind and Christian religion of the White man. You are part of the White establishment thinking about Black Americans that you can do anything to Black Americans and it doesn’t matter because as you said it has nothing to do with it. You are one of the Black Americans I came to save.
Because that man knew the difference between RIGHT AND WRONG and it was his right to choose allegedly USE DRUGS TO GET HIGH and alter his thinking, his mood, his attitude, his disposition, his temperament. This is why I disagree with you, is simply that man had the freedom to make a choice and he chose to become that MONSTER .
I’ll have the last word since I am more intelligent than you are!
The drugs Mr. Christopher used were provided by White America. When Black Americans came into existence in the seven Confederate States that is going to become our sovereign country Black Americans had any drugs. Black Americans were slaves. White Americans gave Black Americans what they should have and that is the policy to this very day. Consequentially, I am right to say that the people we are, are the people White Americans made us into and is to be blamed for all of Black America’s short comings. Black Americans have never had full control over us or our destiny.
I am thoroughly and finally convinced that if Black Americans were not an oppressed we would be a better people that we are. My thinking leads to what God had said to me when I was anointed that our only permanent solution is to desire to become a sovereign people in a country of our own have in our own prophet, religion and spiritual book to pursue liberty, happiness and prosperity in our own way.
Dwell on the good of what God has revealed to me and not on the bad of what White America has done to us reveal by Mr. Christopher’s monstrous actions. Be a positive thinking man and not a negative idiot.
HARRY, don't you understand that if drugs are brought into this country by the white man, no one gave him anything, he bought those drugs.
The reason why you and millions of other Black Americans are not in the same shape as that man was is because you have FREE WILL, just like that man which I refuse to call his name and that is a UNDENIABLE FACT !!!!
You said that Mr. Christopher had FREE WILL like you, I and millions of Black Americans. Well, You are wrong!
It is a fact that Black Americans are descendents of slaves. Black Americans are an oppressed people to this very day. White Americans admits that they racially oppress Black Americans. We see it play out in the news when they kill us and the banks cheat us and the education they give us his poor. I know that oppressed people don’t have FREE WILL and so does you. For example, it was the White slave masters’ will that Black Americans believe in the White Jewish Jesus and their Christian Bible that Black Americans are not written in. How can you rationally explain that Black Americans have FREE WILL when we don’t believe in our own first genuine Prophet Harry and our religion named LIFE, but instead we believe in the White slave master’s Christian religion indicates that the White man exposed us to his Christian religion first and you (we) locked on to it before God gave us our own religion named LIFE.
No, Mr. Ron! Not even I have free Will. I gradually attain FREE WILL as God teache me. The same God taught Jesus, Mohammed and now me. As God resurrected me I must resurrect you and all other Black Americans. You can see that is what I have been doing for the past nine years.
Black Americans will have FREE WILL when we accept our first genuine Prophet Harry, our religion named LIFE, and begin to write our own spiritual book topped off by having our own country as I have described.
White man have fooled you and misled you to believe that you have FREE WILL but you don’t have God and God is the entity that gives FREE WILL. Black Americans came into existence with no FREE WILL. The will that we have and exercises is the will of White people. You are incredibly stupid and ignorant. I say that would love!
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, here smoke this CRACK?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and choke your 12 year old daughter to death?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and stabbed and slashed the throat of your eight year old son?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and stabbed his son's 13-year-old friend several times in the chest?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and run to a family friend's home a few blocks away and after they feed you, take a steak knife and cut the older woman's throat, and beat the younger woman across her face?
All that started with the FREE WILL CHOICE of that MONSTER to go and buy some CRACK, if this is not true, why haven't you went down the street and bought some CRACK yourself, it is all because you have FREE WILL?
You said that you don't have FREE WILL, that GOD is teaching you, then you are making my point which I have been saying earlier in my response to you, I said this: "So far, HARRY, the only permeant and permanent solution for Black Americans is to Hear God's words, keep that word in our hearts and obey God's commandments and knowing that God is our savior, we will get to the promise land."
God is not going to let any person into The Promise Land unless they have him inside them. That is the choice we will have to make on a one on one bases.
Are Black Americans descendents of plantation slaves of White people? Do slave people. Have free will? Yes or no!
Friday, October 7th 2016 at 12:26AM
Harry Watley
Mr. Ron,
Are Black Americans descendents of plantation slaves of White people? Do slave people have free will? Yes or no!
Harry you are out of order. I have answered your questions and now it is your turn to answer mime. This is a tow way conversation and this conversation will not just go one way, your way. You take the time to answer my questions:
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, here smoke this CRACK?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and choke your 12 year old daughter to death?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and stabbed and slashed the throat of your eight year old son?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and stabbed his son's 13-year-old friend several times in the chest?
What white man held a gun to that mans head and say, Now after you smoke this CRACK, go and run to a family friend's home a few blocks away and after they feed you, take a steak knife and cut the older woman's throat, and beat the younger woman across her face?
All that started with the FREE WILL CHOICE of that MONSTER to go and buy some CRACK, if this is not true, why haven't you went down the street and bought some CRACK yourself, it is all because you have FREE WILL?
These are my questions for you to answer, do you understand?
Talking to you is like talking to a seven year old boy in the second grade. Your reasoning is on that level. There was no spooky White man holding a gun to his head. Likewise, there was no spooky White man holding a gun to your head when you accepted the White man’s Christian religion. Our own oppression is more sophisticated then the use of a gun held to our heads, stupid. The use of a gun indicates force and force was not used.
Now, to my question. Is it a fact that Black Americans descendents of plantation slaves were born without free will Mr. Ron? Slave people don’t have free will everyone knows that!
YOUR WORDS: Now, to my question. Is it a fact that Black Americans descendents of plantation slaves were born without free will Mr. Ron? Slave people don’t have free will everyone knows that!
HARRY I would imagine that slaves had very little FREEDOM or free will but a slave had the FREE WILL to live, to dream that someday their children or grand children would be FREE. HARRY, you are talking to a FREE MAN AND NOT A SLAVE LIKE YOU THINK.
Why are you lumping all Black Americans to be a slave like that 32 year old MONSTER? That man was clearly a slave to the oppressors drugs and who did exactly what the oppressors wanted him to do and that was to kill his future and the future of his offspring's, that is what I call a SLAVE.
I 'am A MAN who practice FREE WILL not to go down that path of drug use and drug addiction, FREE from that, what would make me a modern day SLAVE. HARRY, remember who you are talking to, You are talking to a FREE MAN and not a SLAVE like that MONSTER who allegedly committed those MONSTER LIKE ACTS. YOU are talking to a man, with the help from The Most High God, to serve this country, to have children, to be love by my wife and the community, to enjoy my grand children, to retire with 30 plus years of public service, live life in a four bedroom house, now enjoying my pension. That is just some of the things I Thank God for and I called all that and more FREEDOM, THE RIGHT OF FREE WILL.
This is the Life and the path I choose to go down and I want that choice of FREE WILL for my Grand babies .
Free will and the will to live are two different things. You think that free will and the will to live are the same thing. You are stupid!
The will to live is an instinct while free will is not!
Friday, October 7th 2016 at 8:37AM
Harry Watley
FREE WILL IS A CHOICE, A PATH FOR YOUR LIFE, WHICH I CHOOSE FREEDOM FROM SLAVERY.
I have not made any statement on my will to live because I am not sick, struggling to hold on to life or dying, that is what measure the will to live. WOW!!!!
We Black Americans don't have free will. White America have free will. If Black Americans had free will we would have our own country, our own prophet and our own religion. Therefore, Black Americans don't have a CHOICE about anything. We are what White Americans made us into, ignorant and stupid people that God has now come to redeem us!
Friday, October 7th 2016 at 12:30PM
Harry Watley
If you, as a Black American did not have FREE WILL, why aren't you doing CRACK cocaine at this moment? Although it is hard to tell at times by reading some of this foolishness you are saying right now but I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Just this morning millions of Black Americans practiced there right to FREE WILL and got out of there beds and went to work so, that they may provide for there families, as well as there selves, that HARRY was a decision that FREE AMERICANS - BLACK AMERICANS have or they could have just stayed home.
Now I know that it is hard a Slave to think of FREEDOM and all the CHOICES that comes with it but Black Americans are FREE NOW to make that decision to take the RIGHT PATH VS WRONG ONE without being told by masa what to do.
By the way HARRY, you can't defend the actions of that allegedly Drugged up , out of control, MONSTER and blame it on nobody but his self because it was his decision and his decision alone. Now if you want to lay blame for there actions, ask the question why it took 109 shots between 9 police officers which shot about 12 shots apiece to bring down one unarmed man, that is the thousand dollar question you should be seeking the answers too.
Check on your fears HARRY!!! Because you are giving to much time and power to some monolithic white man that is all powerful and a figment of your creation.
If Black Americans were a free people Black Americans would have our own country like White Americans, French people, and Chinese people! If Black Americans had free will Black Americans would have our own religion and prophet instead of having the White man’s religion and their White Jewish Prophet Jesus.
You have not answered my question. Do slave people have free will stupid?
YOUR WORDS: If Black Americans were a free people Black Americans would have our own country like White Americans, French people, and Chinese people!
We do have a country and that is the country of our birth, Black Americans are citizens of the United States of America and every one of us have FREE WILL to have a religion or not, to do right or wrong, or get high or not and the pay the price for wrong actions under the law.
You have not answered my question. Do slave people have free will stupid? I don't know anything about a slave but only from what I read, stupid.
You said that you don’t know anything about slaves except from what you read! Okay, reading is one way of acquiring knowledge. I read a lot. Now, do you believe what you read about slaves? Briefly explain some of the things you read about slaves.
November month I am going to visit the Black American Museum in Washington that has the history of Black Americans and just recently dedicated by Pres. Obama and Pres. Bush costing millions of dollars.
It is so stupid of you to say that you don’t know anything about slavery. Not only is it dishonest of you but it makes you a liar and a corrupt individual. I have always said that you are a no good man in your heart, spirit and soul. Foreigners know about our slavery. Are you ashamed of your own slavery ass hole? White people and just recently Supreme Court Justice Roberts speak in at the Black American Museum in Washington refer to slavery as White America’s greatest sin. You are a damn fool. God is going to separate our young generation from idiots like you because you are incapable of passing on our history to our young ones while the Jewish people passes on the Holocaust to the young ones and God instructed Moses to instruct the children of Israel to celebrate the Passover that the Jewish people would never forget their history in slavery in Egypt 4000 years ago.
You are still sounding real foolish after your corrections. I still stand by what I said HARRY, I don't personally know any slaves, only from what I read.
You asked me this: "Do slave people have free will stupid? Now HARRY", you never asked me did I know about Slavery.
YOUR WORDS: If Black Americans were a free people Black Americans would have our own country like White Americans, French people, and Chinese people!
We do have a country and that is the country of our birth, Black Americans are citizens of the United States of America and every one of us have FREE WILL to have a religion or not, to do right or wrong, or get high or not and the pay the price for wrong actions under the law.
What is the matter with you HARRY, there maybe only a few Black Americans alive today that may remember a great grand parent who was a slave but I am not that fortunate. With that said, I have no personal experience of slavery, JIM CROW YES but slavery NO, only from what I read about the struggles of Slavery of our ancestors.
Now here is a good example of FREE WILL, Harry I refuse to go so low to get in the mud with you to engage in name calling. See when you go low, I will go high, this is my choice to exercise self control, so you can see up close about the power of my FREE WILL.
Had I asked you do a horse have four legs would you need to personally know a horse to know the answer?
Likewise, do you personally need to know a slave to know that a slave doesn’t have free will? Don’t you know the definition of the word slave? You are a stupid old man!
I see that you still want to stay in the world of foolishness, how you want to bring to this subject about a horse?
YOUR WORDS: Likewise, do you personally need to know a slave to know that a slave doesn’t have free will? YES!
Now, from what I read and the movies I have seen, I would still say YES our ancestors did practice FREE WILL.
On the Trans Atlantic voyage to this country by ship, many of our people practiced their right of FREE WILL, to make the decision to end their lives because they did not want to continue to be a SLAVE.
One in this country their still was a certain level FREE WILL was practice, our ancestors learned how the adapt to the conditions of Slavery and they taught their children how to survive until FREEDOM came because FREEDOM has always been a dream.
FREE WILL has always been a choice that we as a people always have had no one can give that to you and no one can take your right to choose, your FREE WILL away, NOBODY, do you hear me. FREE WILL is GOD GIVEN GIFT. You have the right to live or die, that too is FREE WILL.
Today, We as a people still practice our right of FREE WILL HARRY and that MONSTER who allegedly got high and committed these monster like crimes.
YES Slaves had FREE WILL.
YES!!! HARRY I do know the definition of the word slave.
AND NO MAN HAS THE POWER TO TAKE THAT GOD GIVEN RIGHT AWAY. EVEN GOD WANTS YOU TO FREELY USE THAT GIFT TO COME TO HIM TO BE SAVED.
What free will did you have when you accepted the White slave masters Christian religion? If you had free will you would not have accepted the White man’s Christian religion. Intelligence comes with free will. Since we don’t have free will we are not intelligent people. If you were intelligent you would know that every people’s religion must come from their first genuinely anointed prophet. I’ve already taught you that prophets are racially different and therefore I will prophet must be a Black American and a descendent of plantation slaves. And, this first prophet is who you will get your religion from and that prophet is me, Christ Harry.
God gives all the first anointed prophets the religion for their people. You are the same race as I am and I did not give you the White man’s Christian religion because I am not White. You are a very stupid man. The word slave and free will are incompatible ass hole.
You don’t have a very high IQ. If and IQ tests would ask you what is the difference between a slave and a person with free will. Your answer should be they are opposite to each other. As slave is to free will East is to West. They are opposite fool!
Your answer is unacceptable because it is the wrong answer that slaves have free will. I will ask you the question again does slave have free will?
Bring writings and studies of a qualified educator that said slaves had free will. You could start with an English teacher because they will tell you the same thing I said that slave and free will is incompatible.
I have the standard dictionary to prove that slaves don’t have free will. What do you have to back up your claim that slaves have free will?
Of course, I have free will since I have my own religion! I am the first of 41 million Black Americans to have free will. If you had free will you would have your own religion and not the White man’s Christian religion. If Mr. Farrakhan had free will he would not have the religion of the Arabian people. He would have the same religion I have since we are racially the same.
This is my last comment to you a stupid man who has no intelligence and cannot think analytically and reason rationally.
I see that you ran off to start another Blog on the same subject because you can't find any support in a standard dictionary to prove YOUR LIE, that slaves don’t have free will. You also say that Black Americans today don't have FREE WILL, well, lets go to Three creditable English Dictionary to see if your claims are there.
Oh HARRY!!! I will include the links, so you can see that I did not leave anything out that might prove your case: I have the standard dictionary to prove that slaves don’t have free will. What do you have to back up your claim that slaves have free will? Saturday, October 8th 2016 at 1:53PM
Merriam - Webster Dictionary
Simple Definition of free will : the ability to choose how to act : the ability to make choices that are not controlled by fate or God
Full Definition of free will 1: voluntary choice or decision 2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
1. free and independent choice; voluntary decision: You took on the responsibility of your own free will.
2. Philosophy. the doctrine that the conduct of human beings expresses personal choice and is not simply determined by physical or divine forces.
FREE WILL
noun
1. the apparent human ability to make choices that are not externally determined the doctrine that such human freedom of choice is not illusory Compare determinism (sense 1) (as modifier): a free-will decision
2. the ability to make a choice without coercion: he left of his own free will: I did not influence him
free will definition
The ability to choose, think, and act voluntarily. For many philosophers, to believe in free will is to believe that human beings can be the authors of their own actions and to reject the idea that human actions are determined by external conditions or fate. ( See determinism, fatalism, and predestination.)
The dictionary said that FREE WILL is, “2: freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention”. I whole heartedly agree with the dictionaries definition of what FREE WILL is.
These are YOUR WORDS " I have the standard dictionary to prove that slaves don’t have free will. What do you have to back up your claim that slaves have free will?" Saturday, October 8th 2016 at 1:53PM
Then if you have A dictionary prove it to me that slaves had no free will?
HARRY, I still waiting to see your proof in the dictionary that slaves don’t have free will. Can you show me this proof in your next reply?
Your position is that slaves have free will. We know the definition of free will, but now we need to know the definition of a slave.
The definition of a slave is this; the state or condition of being a slave; a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
Harry when will you STOP trying to serve us the same old refried rice?
Sunday, October 9th 2016 at 6:09PM
Siebra Muhammad
Amen!!! Sister Muhammad. The reason why you have not answered the question, is because you have no dictionary that will back up your LIES, your FABRICATIONS and that CREATIONS that only lives in your head.
Do you want one more chance to show us that dictionary and that definition, that will back up your claim?
The dictionary said that FREE WILL is freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention
The dictionary said that a slave a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
From these two dictionary’s definition isn’t it obvious to you that a slave do not have free will! So why are you asking me to answer the question. The question is answered idiot, slaves don’t have free will. I said that the dictionary backs me up that slaves don’t have free will. These two definitions, one you gave and the other I gave both came from the dictionary. Am I not right when I said that the dictionary backs me up? Of course it does!
You are just so stupid and cannot analytically think that’s why you were not able to see until the two definitions were put side-by-side that slaves don’t have free will. You are wrong to believe that slaves have free will and Mr. Christopher like you were born a slave.
I said that the people we are White people are responsible. We will never have free will until God redeems us and that is happening as I speak since I am Black America’s first genuine prophet.
Ms. Muhammad is stupid and you should know that since she follows the ways of the Arabian people but she is not an Arab woman. Her prophet and connection to God must be the same race as she is and Prophet Mohammed is not a Black American descendents of plantation slaves as Ms. Muhammad is. Ms. Muhammad is extremely stupid!
I opened this door and you walked right into this one. Didn't I asked you to prove in the dictionary that slaves don’t have free will. I gave you a perfect example how to do that and you did not and you came up with this:
The dictionary said that a slave a civil relationship whereby one person has absolute power over another and controls his life, liberty, and fortune.
I gave you the name of three dictionaries, just to mention a few of the dictionaries out there, the definitions and the links which you can read this as proof and so, that you too can participate in the act of FREE WILL for yourself.
I did that to eliminate any shadow of any doubt to the meaning and the intent of the word or the term: “FREE WILL.”
Now, where did you find this definition of a Slave? Harry, by knowing you, I am sure, that it is more to that “SLAVE” definition and nothing about a slave having FREE WILL.
HARRY, The slave, our ancestors, always had THE CHOICE OF FREE WILL, and that choice was called “SURVIVAL” and through that practice of FREE WILL gave birth to 41 million Black Americans and that is a FACT.
This debate is not about the survival of a slave. I am not debating survival. I am debating free will versus a slave. The dictionary is clear that a slave doesn’t have free will. This conversation is over and I have proven my point beyond a shadow of a doubt.
This conversation is about FREE WILL in what options a slave would have under slavery, to live or die is that practical Application of what, free will is.
HARRY, I made a simple request which you ran away as predicted, as you follow your proven pattern when asked a direct question that you feel to be threatening to your logic in a way of thinking.
HARRY, where did you get your definition that a slave did not have any free will, from?
Sister Muhammad, you called poor HARRY out and he ran away without sharing where he got his definition from, poor HARRY, it looks like refried rice is all he GOT. (LOL)